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Post by waggin on Aug 21, 2017 12:04:46 GMT -6
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 21, 2017 15:05:54 GMT -6
I think it's because when those words are used, they're always used in a derogatory manner and conveys anger. Which turns the conversation into series of rants that quickly degenerates to insults.
Used in a proper context they could be dismissed but used in anger they become harmful to meaningful discussion.
Also, the English Lexicon defines the "N" word as a "dirty person." - it is colourless.
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Post by HoneyNutCheerios on Aug 21, 2017 15:21:31 GMT -6
I think it's because when those words are used, they're always used in a derogatory manner and conveys anger. Which turns the conversation into series of rants that quickly degenerates to insults. Used in a proper context they could be dismissed but used in anger they become harmful to meaningful discussion. Also, the English Lexicon defines the "N" word as a "dirty person." - it is colourless. Very right. Context is everything. You know what? You may be a grandpa but ur okay in my book. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 21, 2017 15:25:01 GMT -6
I think it's because when those words are used, they're always used in a derogatory manner and conveys anger. Which turns the conversation into series of rants that quickly degenerates to insults. Used in a proper context they could be dismissed but used in anger they become harmful to meaningful discussion. Also, the English Lexicon defines the "N" word as a "dirty person." - it is colourless. Very right. Context is everything. You know what? You may be a grandpa but ur okay in my book. Thanks, little whipper-snapper LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:54:27 GMT -6
Pickle Rick! , people have various reasons for taking offense to swear words that i am aware of: 1) Some words are just plain vulgar, and people don't like the images the words convey. 2) Other times, swearing can convey a change in venue that someone may not be comfortable with - i.e. you are no longer talking in a virtual boardroom anymore, you've changed the virtual location to a dive bar. 3) Some words are loaded with political, religious, or racial undertones. People love to get offended and fight over these topics, so using certain words opens those doors. 4) Swearing can be used to disrespect your audience. Swearing in front of a boss, elder, or other person of importance is generally not done, so swearing in your conversation with a stranger conveys to them that you do not view them in a role of having any authority or being worthy of more polite speech. Anyway, you asked why US folks get offended. Cant speak for the entire US, just one of its citizens, and these are my observations on the subject.
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Post by Pickle Rick! on Aug 21, 2017 17:02:12 GMT -6
Pickle Rick! , people have various reasons for taking offense to swear words that i am aware of: 1) Some words are just plain vulgar, and people don't like the images the words convey. 2) Other times, swearing can convey a change in venue that someone may not be comfortable with - i.e. you are no longer talking in a virtual boardroom anymore, you've changed the virtual location to a dive bar.3) Some words are loaded with political, religious, or racial undertones. People love to get offended and fight over these topics, so using certain words opens those doors. 4) Swearing can be used to disrespect your audience. Swearing in front of a boss, elder, or other person of importance is generally not done, so swearing in your conversation with a stranger conveys to them that you do not view them in a role of having any authority or being worthy of more polite speech. Anyway, you asked why US folks get offended. Cant speak for the US, but these are my observations on the subject. Those p.2 is golden :-D And p.4 is my question again :-D Why is it an "impolite" speech. But your p.1 gets STRAIGHT to the point. So when I say "fuck up" some people imagine somebody being brutally raped sunny side up, probably. Sooooo this is not the problem with the words, but exactly the problem with people who imagine some sick things, I guess. And NOT to trigger such people and not to get into debate other people won't use this words. That's my take on this stuff. Don't use bloody swearing shit and it won't piss of fuckups. Okay, I can live with that! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:39:07 GMT -6
And p.4 is my question again :-D Why is it an "impolite" speech. To clarify a bit more - the words may not be *impolite* in and of itself, but when swearing, the speaker is saying to the listener: "You have no authority here and I don't need to mind myself around you". Not that the words have an impolite meaning per se, but the fact that the words are culturally taboo, a speaker that uses them around strangers is delivering a message to his audience. Some people view that forwardness as offputting or disrespectful. Swearing assumes a level of familiarity or informal-ness that your listener may not share. Put another way, there are things you may only do in front of family and friends, yes? Like changing your shirt, or belching? Swearing is in that same category - something you only do around people whom you have a comfort level with. Some strangers find it impolite for someone to do such things in the company of strangers. I dunno, you got me overthinking it. |
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Post by Pickle Rick! on Aug 22, 2017 1:45:30 GMT -6
And p.4 is my question again :-D Why is it an "impolite" speech. To clarify a bit more - the words may not be *impolite* in and of itself, but when swearing, the speaker is saying to the listener: "You have no authority here and I don't need to mind myself around you". Not that the words have an impolite meaning per se, but the fact that the words are culturally taboo, a speaker that uses them around strangers is delivering a message to his audience. Some people view that forwardness as offputting or disrespectful. Swearing assumes a level of familiarity or informal-ness that your listener may not share. Put another way, there are things you may only do in front of family and friends, yes? Like changing your shirt, or belching? Swearing is in that same category - something you only do around people whom you have a comfort level with. Some strangers find it impolite for someone to do such things in the company of strangers. I dunno, you got me overthinking it. I really really enjoy a conversation with you. Now to make you overthink it even more: 1) Changing your shirt. There is a possibility that you are ashamed of your body, or it got unpleasant odour. So your friends\family (or you) could suffer a bit, but hey, it's your friends, they must suffer because of that fact! 2) Belching. Once more, it may produce unpleasant odour. That's why it's impolite to force people to experience it. Not so with swearing. I will go even deeper in our subconsciousness and ask another question, deeply related to "swearing" - why sexually explicit material considered "inappropriate" for children? I mean - it is OK in our country (not sure about yours, please enlighten me) to show some war-related bullshit to children, where people got shot and DIE, for fuck's sake, but it is considered "inappropriate" to show how a man makes love to a woman, even in a very traditional way. I got a theory for that, I'd say a solid conspiracy one (yeah, I love them!) but would like to hear yours first. P.s. and usage of "fuck, bitch, dick, whore, bastard, cunt, jerk" and other sexual-related swear words is "inappropriate" just because of the same reason. |
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Post by duckduckgo on Aug 22, 2017 7:50:55 GMT -6
I will go even deeper in our subconsciousness and ask another question, deeply related to "swearing" - why sexually explicit material considered "inappropriate" for children? I mean - it is OK in our country (not sure about yours, please enlighten me) to show some war-related bullshit to children, where people got shot and DIE, for fuck's sake, but it is considered "inappropriate" to show how a man makes love to a woman, even in a very traditional way. I got a theory for that, I'd say a solid conspiracy one (yeah, I love them!) but would like to hear yours first. P.s. and usage of "fuck, bitch, dick, whore, bastard, cunt, jerk" and other sexual-related swear words is "inappropriate" just because of the same reason. Is that where this is going? You want to show your pickle to little kids, but society is against you? |
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Post by мιנαριკoo on Aug 22, 2017 8:15:59 GMT -6
@heavypanda I think your 4th point is just another example of it being completely based off perspective. When someone swears around me in a venue that it isn't normally deemed "appropriate", I take it as them feeling comfortable to be themselves around me. It's a sense of trust at that point, not disrespect. But that's my perspective.
I think what his point is, people that have a more open perspective have to censor themselves to cater to those that have a more sensitive perspective. Why? What makes the sensitive people more important than the non-sensitive people?
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Post by Pickle Rick! on Aug 22, 2017 8:41:09 GMT -6
@heavypanda I think your 4th point is just another example of it being completely based off perspective. When someone swears around me in a venue that it isn't normally deemed "appropriate", I take it as them feeling comfortable to be themselves around me. It's a sense of trust at that point, not disrespect. But that's my perspective. I think what his point is, people that have a more open perspective have to censor themselves to cater to those that have a more sensitive perspective. Why? What makes the sensitive people more important than the non-sensitive people? Yeah, you got my point just right. And I really agree to do so, because usually if you have "more" something - you should be also more responsible. Like, you know, in martial arts - when you got your.. erm.. what's the English term? Say, your.. "official sports ranking" - you could NEVER start a fight again in the street. You will be charged and put to jail at instant. i think same with swearing - if you can do that\understand what it's for - you are more responsible and should use this sparingly. |
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Post by Pickle Rick! on Aug 22, 2017 8:44:27 GMT -6
I will go even deeper in our subconsciousness and ask another question, deeply related to "swearing" - why sexually explicit material considered "inappropriate" for children? I mean - it is OK in our country (not sure about yours, please enlighten me) to show some war-related bullshit to children, where people got shot and DIE, for fuck's sake, but it is considered "inappropriate" to show how a man makes love to a woman, even in a very traditional way. I got a theory for that, I'd say a solid conspiracy one (yeah, I love them!) but would like to hear yours first. P.s. and usage of "fuck, bitch, dick, whore, bastard, cunt, jerk" and other sexual-related swear words is "inappropriate" just because of the same reason. Is that where this is going? You want to show your pickle to little kids, but society is against you? Good one! I liked that :-D But actually nope. My intention is to indicate that many countries prohibit ANYTHING sexually-related, which results in lots of teen pregnancy. So common sense indicates that teen pregnancy is BAD, but why we don't tell children about that? At the same time killing is bad, and the war is awful, but children LOVE playing that and adults see nothing wrong with that. The answer why is it so, imho, is pretty obvious. |
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